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∂29-Apr-88  2316	JMC  
To:   RPG    
How does your garden grow?

∂29-Apr-88  2228	Mailer 	re: reparations to interned Japanese 
To:   LYN@SIERRA.STANFORD.EDU, su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU   
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

[In reply to message from LYN@sierra.stanford.edu sent Fri 29 Apr 88 21:07:57-PDT.]

I just checked all the A.P. news stories in the last 3 weeks mentioning
the word Japanese to see if any of them recounted any previous payments
to the Japanese who were interned.  None of them did.  Surely, a fact
like that would have been mentioned!  Wouldn't it?  Surely, KGO must
be mistaken, mustn't it?

∂29-Apr-88  2008	JMC  
To:   ME
My SAIL keyboard is nonfunctional.  No obvious disconnection.

∂29-Apr-88  1635	JMC 	re: CSD Retreat
To:   chandler@POLYA.Stanford.EDU
[In reply to message sent Fri, 29 Apr 1988 15:07:00 PDT.]

I will give a talk about logic in AI.  Incidentally, in your first
message you misspelled Feigenbaum.

∂29-Apr-88  1633	JMC 	re: CS101 
To:   JONES@Score.Stanford.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Fri 29 Apr 88 13:36:12-PDT.]

Those who took it were not students who would otherwise have
taken cs105.  For example, all used editors and had written
programs.  In fact, it turned out that all owned computers.
I thought it was worthwhile.  If Stanford doesn't consider
the enrollment too small for a viable class, I'd like to
teach it again at least once - say in 89-90.

∂29-Apr-88  1629	JMC 	re: JPL Paper  
To:   Rich.Thomason@C.CS.CMU.EDU 
[In reply to message sent Fri 29 Apr 88 13:03:15-EDT.]

I can get Lifschitz's, and I think it's one I've seen.  All that
might shorten mine is a little information about Levesque's.

∂29-Apr-88  0911	JMC 	re: JPL Paper  
To:   Rich.Thomason@C.CS.CMU.EDU 
[In reply to message sent Fri 29 Apr 88 07:43:41-EDT.]

I think I can make it.  Who are your other contributors?  I want to
avoid superfluous redundancy.

∂27-Apr-88  1737	JMC 	re: Orals 
To:   JSW    
[In reply to message rcvd 27-Apr-88 16:34-PT.]

As soon as you are ready to propose a date, I will try for a chairman.

∂27-Apr-88  1509	JMC 	cs306
To:   stager@Score.Stanford.EDU
CC:   NSH@SAIL.Stanford.EDU   
Shankar would like to teach it again.

∂27-Apr-88  1459	JMC 	Western Culture
To:   hk.gjl@FORSYTHE.STANFORD.EDU    
Thanks for taking the time to tell me about the discussion.  My last
remark about it not being over yet is based on the idea that the BSU and
its allies, which Kennedy says didn't intimidate the Senate, seem to be
of the opinion that they did.  I fear they'll be back for more next year,
since playing intimidation is such fun.  I wrote to the New York Times to
that effect, but I haven't heard that they intend to print my letter.

∂27-Apr-88  1432	JMC 	re: Our 1-page flame
To:   rdz@Gang-of-Four.Stanford.EDU
CC:   woodfill@POLYA.STANFORD.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Wed, 27 Apr 88 14:09:45 pdt.]

I didn't ask for a flame.  I asked for something much more concrete,
e.g. what is the simplest knowledge about which you have some doubt of its
expressibility in logic.  I never heard of "orbiculus" and doubt that
it adds anything.

∂27-Apr-88  1227	JMC 	re: Civil Liberties 17:  Vampirism -- Driving the Stake
To:   yeager@ARDVAX.STANFORD.EDU 
[In reply to message sent Wed, 27 Apr 88 10:39:12 PDT.]

Bill Yeager writes

"Sometimes I wonder if these bureaucracies are just self serving agencies,
more interested in their own survival than the athletes well-being.

Perhaps we'd be better off if we just let the athletes compete, and forget
about drugs, RBC replacement, etc ... (Sort of athletic anarchy)"

Les's fascinating account supports Bill's first paragraph partially but
not the second.  Like all human institutions, athletic bureaucracies
have self-serving tendencies mixed in with their tendency to get it right.
The proportion varies and depends on the subject matter.

If the U.S. athletic bureaucracy were dissolved, many American athletes
would die or suffer serious side effects from drugging themselves to
compete with the East German and Soviet athletic bureaucracies which take
a military attitude towards athletic competition.  What matters a few dead
or crippled athletes if the Socialist Fatherland wins more gold medals?
Both anabolic steroids and amphetamines win the most medals when used in
ways that have serious side-effects.

∂27-Apr-88  1206	JMC  
To:   MPS    
Has Dina Bolla said when they'll deliver tomorrow's ticket?

∂27-Apr-88  1057	JMC 	re: Teaching next year   
To:   STAGER@SCORE.Stanford.EDU  
[In reply to message sent Wed 27 Apr 88 10:19:20-PDT.]

Sorry to have dithered so long.  I will teach CS323 in Winter and
also VTSS160 (not in this department).  I discussed cs101 with
Stuart Reges, and we agreed that it should be taught every other year,
but whoever is now in charge might want to decide differently.
I would be agreeable to teaching it again the year after next.  I
have asked Shankar (today) whether he wants to teach cs306 again
next year and haven't gotten a reply yet.

∂27-Apr-88  1054	JMC 	re: [H. Roy Jones <JONES@Score.Stanford.EDU>: Re: 326,32x]  
To:   SHOHAM@SCORE.Stanford.EDU  
[In reply to message sent Wed 27 Apr 88 09:38:02-PDT.]

Oh, well.  Let's leave it that I will teach 323 in Winter, and we'll
arrange some guest lectures in 323 and 324.

∂27-Apr-88  1036	JMC  
To:   NSH    
Would you like to teach cs306 again next year?

∂26-Apr-88  2053	JMC 	re: fax et al  
To:   paulf@UMUNHUM.Stanford.EDU 
[In reply to message sent Tue, 26 Apr 88 20:29:37 pdt.]

Only tomorrow.  How about noon at the Faculty Club?

∂26-Apr-88  1955	JMC 	re:  fax machine    
To:   paulf@JESSICA.STANFORD.EDU 
[In reply to message sent Tue, 26 Apr 88 19:32:32 PDT.]

As you probably know, fax machines are connected to the ordinary telephone
network and have ordinary telephone numbers.  You dial the other guys
fax telephone number to set up the connection, and the message is
directly transmitted.  Compatible machines can communicate anywhere
on the worldwide telephone network.  No complicated addresses, no
forwarding.  Electronic mail could equally well work the same way.
Time-sharing machines, work stations and even pcs could have
telephone numbers and would thereby automatically be on the same
worldwide network that serves voice.  Instead there are networks
with connections that have delays and are unreliable, addressing
problems, and some even use polling so that a message is relayed
through several computers rather than using a single ordinary
phone call.

∂26-Apr-88  1706	JMC  
To:   MPS    
brown.re1 is a review for Deken - forms in my out box.

∂26-Apr-88  1628	JMC 	re: article    
To:   bek@CS.DUKE.EDU  
[In reply to message sent Sun, 24 Apr 88 14:32:40 EDT.]

They should get the Edinburgh Machine Intelligence series.  I can send
you a paper copy or you can ftp phil.tex[ess,jmc] at this computer.  I
believe we don't require a password for that.

∂26-Apr-88  1557	JMC 	fax machine    
To:   faculty@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU 
I am getting increasing numbers of requests to communicate by
fax.  If others are experiencing the same, we should get a
departmental fax machine.

It irritates me that fax communication is winning out over
electronic mail when text is being communicated.  The reason
is the tower of complexity introduced by networks.  Fax
communication is by direct telephone connection which is the
way electronic mail should have been done in 1970 and still
should be done.

∂26-Apr-88  1437	JMC 	reply to message    
To:   PHY    
[In reply to message rcvd 26-Apr-88 14:24-PT.]

I didn't know about it, haven't started and don't even know who is
in charge.

∂26-Apr-88  1241	JMC 	re: The moon   
To:   helen@PSYCH.Stanford.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Tue, 26 Apr 88 12:38:44 PDT.]

If you haven't eaten yet and have time, I could pick you up.

∂26-Apr-88  1213	JMC 	re: The moon   
To:   helen@PSYCH.Stanford.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Tue, 26 Apr 88 12:09:22 PDT.]

I'll be in L.A. Thursday and will be travelling starting the middle of
next week.  We'd better put it off till summer.  Did you not that
Stendhal was entirely wrong?  Whether the moon is full doesn't depend
on where on earth you observe it from.

∂26-Apr-88  1104	JMC  
To:   helen@PSYCH.Stanford.EDU   
"The people of the antipodes, gazing at the moon when for us it is only
a small crescent, remark, 'What a splendid brightness!  It's nearly full
moon'" - Stendhal in Memoirs of an Egotist, p. 92, Noonday Press.

∂25-Apr-88  1106	JMC 	re: Frank T. Carey Inst. ??   
To:   TAJNAI@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU  
[In reply to message sent Mon 25 Apr 88 10:11:28-PDT.]

If this is the Carey who was formerly President of IBM, IBMers might know.

∂24-Apr-88  0011	JMC 	phone number   
To:   MPS    
Please telephone the State Department and get the phone number of
the U.S. Embassy in Moscow and put it in my phon file.  I have it,
but I want to be sure the number is correct.

∂23-Apr-88  1831	JMC 	re: Getting together?    
To:   HALPERN@IBM.COM  
[In reply to message sent 21 Apr 88 15:38:44 PDT.]

We did get together on April 22.  Your April 21 message proposing it just arrived.

∂23-Apr-88  1655	Mailer 	re: Jackson for president  
To:   bill@CAPPUCCINO.STANFORD.EDU, su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU   
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

[In reply to message from bill@cappuccino.stanford.edu sent Fri, 22 Apr 88 20:48:16 PDT.]

"I think it would be really fun to have something approaching a radical as
president, though an anarchist would be even more fun. Might wake some
folks up, which is always a good thing."

Some people voted for Hitler on the basis of some such reasoning.  Millions
woke up dead.  Your experience and reading are evidently too slight
to know that choosing a radical out of boredom more often leads to
disaster, i.e. lots of killing, than choosing the boring option.
My remark concerns the general proposition and isn't specifically
directed at Jackson.

∂22-Apr-88  1924	JMC  
To:   CLT    
Did the piano tuner reach you?

∂22-Apr-88  1901	JMC 	terminal  
To:   CLT    
I don't know whether you were trying to use the terminal, but
I found it in a strange state.  It looks like Timothy had got
to it since the TAPE button was pushed.  Exactly the buttons
marked with arrows should be pushed.  Also the RESET button
had been pushed.  On this terminal that always resets to
R=1200, T=150, wherease our modem is set for R=2400,T=2400.
To set it right one first pushed <baud set> at the right
end of the top row of keys.  Then presses <shift lock>,
then R 2400<cr> and T 2400<cr> and one more <cr> which
makes the settings disappear.  Then <call> will work, and
the terminal is back in business.

∂22-Apr-88  1419	JMC 	re: Dead Serious    
To:   bhayes@CASCADE.STANFORD.EDU,
      oper.bjr@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU    
[In reply to message from bhayes@cascade.stanford.edu sent Tue, 19 Apr 88 13:33:59 MST.]

Should your researches turn up a source of Grateful Dead tickets, I
would be grateful for the opportunity to acquire two, three or four
of them for either day.

∂22-Apr-88  1417	Mailer 	re: Sex/Israeli Law   
To:   crispin@SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU, su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU 
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

[In reply to message from RITTS@sierra.stanford.edu sent Mon 18 Apr 88 11:52:31-PST.]

I don't agree that maternity/paternity leave policies are irresponsible
because they encourage couples to have children.  Each country is sovereign
and responsible for its own population.  A few are severely oppressed
by excessive population and many others are not.  For an urban country
Israel is not overcrowded, and its population makes contributions to
world culture, science, technology and culture out of proportion to
its population.  More Israelis will benefit the world.  So would more
Americans.

	I fear that the reduction in the number of people with
scores over 700 in the verbal SAT between 1965 and 1985 from 33,000
to 14,000 may be related to the fact that the high SAT people are
not reproducing themselvelves.

∂22-Apr-88  0949	Mailer 	re: Civil Liberties 3a:  Recognition of Error of Interning Japanese
To:   V.VARDI@OTHELLO.STANFORD.EDU, RWF@SAIL.Stanford.EDU
CC:   LES@SAIL.Stanford.EDU, su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU 
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

[In reply to message from V.VARDI@OTHELLO.STANFORD.EDU sent Fri 22 Apr 88 05:01:21-PDT.]

My opinion is that the Japanese should have been compensated even
when the Government, i.e. General Dewitt (sp?), still believed that
many of them might be spies.  Not even he supposed that they were
all spies, and when an individual is made to suffer for some public
purpose, e.g. when property is taken, then compensation is normal and
even required by the 14th Amendment.  The issue of compensation should
not be confused with the fact that the evacuation was a mistake in the
first place.

∂22-Apr-88  0151	JMC  
To:   RDZ@SAIL.Stanford.EDU 
I forgot to mention contexts in my Omni list.

∂21-Apr-88  2329	Mailer 	re: Junk phone calls...    
To:   S.SALUT@LEAR.STANFORD.EDU, su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU 
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

[In reply to message from S.SALUT@lear.stanford.edu sent Thu 21 Apr 88 20:23:16-PDT.]

Remember that the people who actually make the junk phone calls are
not the advertising people who decide on the junk mail campaign.
I don't imagine it's a very good job.  Sometimes it's a housewife
trying to make a little extra money.  Sometimes it's a student.
Why don't you have some fun.  Try to think of something to say
and a way to say it that will make a housewife cry.  Then you can
keep score on what fraction you can make cry and compete with
your friends.

Of course, you could also politely ask for the name of the company
and their phone number promising to call back.  Then you could look
up the name of a big shot in the company, call her and try to sell
her something.

∂21-Apr-88  2039	JMC 	re: Qlisp 
To:   billo@CMX.NPAC.SYR.EDU
CC:   JJW@SAIL.Stanford.EDU, IGS@SAIL.Stanford.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Thu, 21 Apr 88 23:19:44 EDT.]

Our qlisp is working on the Alliant.  Please inquire about getting
it to Igor Rivin, igs@sail.stanford.edu.

∂21-Apr-88  2038	JMC 	Qlisp
To:   IGS@SAIL.Stanford.EDU, JJW@SAIL.Stanford.EDU   
 ∂21-Apr-88  2018	billo@cmx.npac.syr.EDU 	Qlisp 
Received: from cmx.npac.syr.EDU by SAIL.Stanford.EDU with TCP; 21 Apr 88  20:18:37 PDT
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 88 23:19:44 EDT
From: billo@cmx.npac.syr.edu (Bill O)
Received: by cmx.npac.syr.EDU (5.51/Northeast Parallel Architectures Center)
	id AA28212; Thu, 21 Apr 88 23:19:44 EDT
Message-Id: <8804220319.AA28212@cmx.npac.syr.EDU>
To: jmc@sail.stanford.edu
Subject: Qlisp

Dear Prof. McCarthy:

I work for the Northeast Parallel Architectures Center at Syracuse
University, and I am writing to you about Qlisp.  Here at NPAC we have
several parallel machines (including a couple of Connection Machines,
an Alliant FX/80, and an 18 processor Encore Multimax) and we are
constantly evaluating new architectures for possible future
acquisition.  Because AI is one of the subject areas that we hope to
develop expertise in, we are very interested in obtaining version of
Lisp with constructs for parallelism. My question concerns Qlisp.  Is
it currently implemented on any multi-processor computers, and if so,
what kind.  Of course, we would be thrilled if it were already available
for one of the machines we currently own, but we would still be interested
in knowing of other implementations (or proposed implementations).

Also, if it is available, how would we go about getting it?  

Thank you very much for lending your valuable time to this query.

∂21-Apr-88  1627	JMC 	reply to message    
To:   bundy%aiva.edinburgh.ac.uk@NSS.CS.UCL.AC.UK    
[In reply to message sent Tue, 19 Apr 88 15:11:41 BST.]

Sorry, that's all there is.

∂21-Apr-88  1218	Mailer 	re: moral responsibility   
To:   poser@CRYSTALS.STANFORD.EDU, su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU    
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

[In reply to message from poser@crystals.STANFORD.EDU sent Thu, 21 Apr 88 11:32:20 pdt.]

Bill Poser says:

	"I suggest that in order to indict the anti-war movement JMC needs
to show two things. One is that things are worse as a result of the actions
of the anti-war movement. It isn't sufficient to say that they were bad.
He has to argue that things are worse than if there had been no
anti-war movement. The other is to show that these consequences were
forseeable."

	I agree entirely, except that if I could show these two things, I
could convict and not merely indict.  I will undertake to do it in a
future message, cribbing, of course, from writings that have already
done it.  The part about "reckless disregard for the forseeable consequences
of one's actions" seems especially apropos of what I propose to show
about the "anti-war" movement.

	Finally, the point about "Sure, of course they should honor their
word." with regard to the Sandinistas may not be accepted as the only
reasonable answer by part of the "peace movement" and by the Sandinistas.
For example, the peace movement showed not the slightest interest in
whether the North Vietnamese were adhering to the 1973 agreement.  We will
see whether the "peace movement" will be willing to put any pressure on
the Sandinistas if they violate the agreement.  At least Jim Wright seems
to be willing to put on some pressure, but I doubt that he would be
counted as part of the "peace movement".

∂20-Apr-88  2214	JMC 	re: Hey there  
To:   helen@PSYCH.STANFORD.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Wed, 20 Apr 88 22:10:10 PDT.]

That will be fine.  1145 in front then.  I've given up on the elementary
particle theory for this year, but maybe I'll do a physics experiment.

∂20-Apr-88  2030	JMC 	papers to Tom Bethell    
To:   MPS    
Please tex and print the following files, and then take
them to Tom Bethell in the Hoover Institution.  He wants
them before he gives a talk.

beckma.2[let,jmc]
lewont[f85,jmc]

∂20-Apr-88  1457	JMC 	re: School Prayer etc.   
To:   poser@CRYSTALS.STANFORD.EDU
[In reply to message sent Wed, 20 Apr 88 12:03:53 pdt.]

from Bill Poser:
"I certainly do not disagree with JMC's claim that the net result in Cambodia
was horrible. But I doubt very much that it was the protests against the
American attack on Cambodia that caused this. The reason for the American
invasion of Cambodia was to further American strategy in Vietnam. It had
nothing to do with preventing the bloodbath in Cambodia, which was not
yet happening and which there was no basis for predicting."

1. On the basis of "I doubt very much ... ", Bill Poser exempts the
anti-war movement from any obligation to consider the possible or likely
consequences of its actions.  Looking at the matter objectively, i.e.
without regard to the intentions of the parties involved, the anti-war
movement's contribution to the Khmer Rouge victory helped kill those
Cambodians.

2. Looking at it subjectively, i.e. with regard to the intentions
of the parties involved, what Bill Poser regards as U.S. propaganda
is specifically a viewpoint of the consequences of communist victories
on the basis of past experience with communist victories.  More specifically,
there was plenty of information about the murderous characteristics of
the Khmer Rouge, for example their murder of 17 jounalists.  This
information was reported in the U.S. press, but not emphasized, because
it interfered with the general press attitude developed by that time
that the U.S. was on the wrong side in Vietnam.  There was also plenty
of information about the oppressive character of communist regimes
in general and of the North Vietnamese in particular.

3. In 1967 I supported the "anti-war movement" and took part in a large
demonstration in San Francisco.  It turned out to be led by people
chanting, "Ho, Ho, Ho Chi-Min, NLF gonna win".  This led me to conclude
that it wasn't an anti-war movement.  It was merely a communist victory
movement.  In my view, those who chanted that slogan were taking moral
responsibility for the consequences of the communist victory they were
striving for.  Were they?

4. Can't Bill Poser see the self-serving character of his argument
that if the U.S. opposes somebody on the grounds that they are murderous
and they win and prove to be murderous, it is the fault of the U.S.
anyway?  If the U.S. hadn't opposed them, they might not have turned
out to be murderous.

	Robbers accused of murder often offer the argument that if their
victims hadn't resisted, the robber wouldn't have killed them.

Let me put a more precise question to Bill Poser.

Does the "peace movement" have any MORAL responsibility AT ALL for
the consequences of its successes, independently of the question
of whether the U.S. Government and its supporters have some
responsibility for their actions?

Specifically, does the "peace movement" have any MORAL responsibility for
the consequences of the communist victory in Indochina?

Turning to the future, do the Sandinistas have any MORAL obligation
AT ALL to live up to the human rights provisions of their tentative
agreement with the Contras?  This includes the release of political
prisoners, freedom of the press and freedom to demonstrate.

Do the American supporters of the Sandinistas take any MORAL responsibility
for the Sandinistas' living up to the human rights provisions of the
agreement?

If you wish to further attack the actions and motives of the U.S. Government,
please do it in a separate message.

∂20-Apr-88  1416	JMC 	re: I need to reach Gosper    
To:   DEK    
[In reply to message rcvd 20-Apr-88 13:24-PT.]

Gosper, Bill	(symbolics secret: 969-0955),rwg@scrc-yukon

That phone number has been updated, although the net address may not work.
He still lives with Weyhrauch, and 948-2149 is still the number there.

∂20-Apr-88  1136	Mailer 	re: children's intolerance 
To:   Byrd@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU, su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU    
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

[In reply to message from Byrd@SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU sent Wed, 20 Apr 88 11:14:02 PDT.]

I agree with Greg Byrd that children tend to persecute those who
differ and that this has nothing in particular to do with religion.
However, I remember from my own school days very explicit propaganda
on the part of the teachers in favor of tolerance, and I think it
had some effect.  The propaganda for tolerance did not carry the idea
that those who differed were equal, so it didn't conflict directly
with tendencies for identification with peers.

∂20-Apr-88  1039	Mailer 	re: School Prayer etc.
To:   poser@CSLI.STANFORD.EDU, su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU   
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

[In reply to message from poser@csli.stanford.edu sent Wed, 20 Apr 88 00:25:18 PDT.]

This is not an assertion that Bill Poser should have been required
to salute the flag, but I have promised myself not to allow assertions
like "the United States attacked Cambodia" to pass unprotested.
Instead it was Mr. Poser, in his juvenile way, who helped the
communists kill two million Cambodians.

∂19-Apr-88  1929	JMC 	sorry to have missed you 
To:   helen@PSYCH.Stanford.EDU   
Maybe we should wait till you are a bit less rushed.
Thursday dinner would work for me, but otherwise it might
be best to try for something late next week or the following
on short notice.

∂19-Apr-88  1353	Mailer 	re: Atheists for the School Prayer Amendment   
To:   LES@SAIL.Stanford.EDU, su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

[In reply to message from LES rcvd 19-Apr-88 13:26-PT.]

Mary Holstege has (or had) a fully justified complaint.  Let me point
out that the School Prayer Amendment draft I saw would have protected
her had it been the U.S. instead of Britain.  It might also have
protected Les from the Bible readings.  At present there is a substantially
liberal Supreme Court, but if that should totally flip, there would be
no more protection than existed before 1940.  On the other hand, the
occasional municipal creche doesn't oppress people.  As usual the oppressed
readily turn into oppressors.

Bennett was justified in referring to bullying.  I see the Stanford Daily
writer was surprised that there was no "protest" at the Bennett speech.
Since people did speak up in disagreement with Bennett, I conclude that to
the Daily writer "protest" is a euphemism for an attempt to disrupt the
meeting and prevent Bennett from speaking.  He seemed disappointed.

However, Bennett's mention the bullying tactics of the opponents of
Western culture had one disadvantage.  It enabled Kennedy and other
spokesmen for the Academic Senate to ignore his substantive points about
the importance of Western culture and merely deny being intimidated.
They didn't even have to say whether they considered chants of
"Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western culture's got to go" a legitimate form
of discussion of issues.

"Bullying" is mentioned a lot in "current rightist rhetoric", because
there is currently a lot of left wing bullying going on on campuses.
By making the rhetoric the issue, Les avoids committing himself on
whether this is true.  What about it Les?  What's your opinion of
the SUNY Law School statement I posted.  How do the civil liberties
issues it poses compare in magnitude with those posed by a random
creche at Christmas.

∂19-Apr-88  1305	JMC  
To:   MPS    
Tell Lisa at Regis-McKenna that 4:30 will be ok for meeting with Bull big shot.

∂19-Apr-88  1158	JMC  
To:   helen@PSYCH.Stanford.EDU   
lunch?

∂19-Apr-88  0226	Mailer 	re: Atheists for the School Prayer Amendment   
To:   LES@SAIL.Stanford.EDU, su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

[In reply to message from LES rcvd 19-Apr-88 02:04-PT.]

I am not proposing to institute school prayers.  I merely have a
moral and aesthetic objection to the bullying attempts to suppress
essentially harmless customs.  I regard the spirit of these attempts
as potentially dangerous.

I have no desire for equal time, and I would object if the prayers
took significant time.  If there is raucous and uncompromisable
competition for prayer time in some community, that would be a reason
for flushing the whole thing in that community.

What requires explanation is not tolerance of customs, even obsolete
ones, but the overbearing desire to ``eradicate'' them that causes
outsiders to seek out the communities where they still exist.  It
smells like an old-fashioned religious war.

∂19-Apr-88  0142	Mailer 	liberal complaint about conservative humor
To:   su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU   
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

A.P. 1986 August 7
    Joseph Rauh, speaking for the Americans For Democratic Action, said
Scalia could shift the high court to the right.
    ''Judge Scalia has ice water in his veins, when the Supreme Court
really ought to have a feeling of compassion,'' Rauh said. ''He makes
jokes about things that we believe in deeply. He laughs at
affirmative action.''

∂19-Apr-88  0136	Mailer 	Proverb for the day   
To:   su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU   
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

Unbroken drive even for welfare is only warfare. - Al Mutanabbi

∂19-Apr-88  0134	Mailer 	re: Atheists for the School Prayer Amendment   
To:   LES@SAIL.Stanford.EDU, su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

[In reply to message from LES rcvd 18-Apr-88 23:04-PT.]

Not being offered any rationale for the bullying of the religious,
I sustain my suspicion that the spirit that sustains it is the
same joy in smiting the heathen that motivated so many religious
massacres.  There are probably the same fraction of psychologically
intolerant people born into each generation; only the cause on behalf
of which they are intolerant changes.  What is done on behalf of the
cause varies according to the degree of Western culture in the
civilization, however.

∂19-Apr-88  0113	JMC 	re: Munich, May
To:   reinfra@ZTIVAX.SIEMENS.COM 
[In reply to message sent Tue, 19 Apr 88 10:09:14 -0200.]

Yes, I would be glad to visit the Siemens AI Lab.  I plan to remain in
Munich that week and go from there to Moscow on Sunday.

∂18-Apr-88  1815	Mailer 	Atheists for the School Prayer Amendment  
To:   su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU   
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

an organization of which I believe I am currently the sole member.

Once upon a time, it was hazardous to one's health to be an
atheist.  The provisions against establishment of religion in
the Constitution were intended to protect people against this
hazard, and more prominent at the time, the hazard of being of
the wrong religion.

	Occasional examples of someone taking prejudiced action
against an atheist probably occur.  However, I have reached the
age of 60 without ever being bothered.

Legal efforts to obtain protection for atheists from prejudice have
a substantial and honorable history.  However, sometime about in the
1950s, the situation changed.  Instead of most of the actions being
for the protection of atheists from prejudice, they became actions for
the suppression of religious practices in the guise of protecting
nonbelievers.  I used to subscribe to the Realist, which featured
the activities of Madalyn O'Hair in suppressing religious practices
in schools for the protection of her son.  Her activities always seemed
to me to be motivated by prejudice, and I confess to taking a malicious
pleasure when the son turned into a Jesus freak.

About two years ago I made a hundred dollar contribution to an organization
formed to protect the practice of posting the Ten Commandments in
some rural schools in Kentucky.  Were I a member of a Kentucky school
board I would probably have voted against the posting, but it
seemed to me that the people demanding its suppression were
legal bullies.

In my view, the ACLU has recently been the vehicle for such bullying.

It also seems to me that the fanatical anti-smokers are also bullying
and that self-righteousness of the kind they represent has killed
far more people than smoking has.

While fanaticism has often taken a religious form, that's not the
only form it can take.

As for the proposed school prayer amendment, it seems to have enough
protections for atheists and others who don't want to participate.

∂18-Apr-88  1745	JMC 	re: AIList V6 #72 - Queries   
To:   AIList@KL.SRI.COM
[In reply to message sent Sun 17 Apr 1988 23:35-PDT.]

McCarthy, John and P.J. Hayes (1969):  ``Some Philosophical Problems from
the Standpoint of Artificial Intelligence'', in D. Michie (ed), Machine
Intelligence 4, American Elsevier, New York, NY discusses the problem of
free will for machines.  I never got any reaction to that discussion,
pro or con, in the 19 years since it was published and would be grateful
for some.

∂16-Apr-88  2235	JMC  
To:   ME
HOT is garbaging now, so you'll eventually catch it in the act.

∂16-Apr-88  1936	JMC  
To:   ME
NS is garbaging badly.  All stories are garbaged.

∂16-Apr-88  1304	JMC 	re: Oops  
To:   helen@PSYCH.Stanford.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Sat, 16 Apr 88 13:01:47 PDT.]

Actually it turned out that today is inconvenient but Tuesday would
be good.  How about 1145, because I'm still trying to attend a physics
class at 1:15?

∂16-Apr-88  1105	JMC  
To:   helen@PSYCH.Stanford.EDU   
How does 1pm look to you?

∂15-Apr-88  2136	JMC 	re: taxes 
To:   CLT    
[In reply to message rcvd 15-Apr-88 21:35-PT.]

I indeed forgot.

∂15-Apr-88  0959	JMC  
To:   MPS    
I'll be in with the overheads about 11.  I'll need them by 1145.

∂14-Apr-88  2322	Mailer 	Freedom of speech
To:   su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU   
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

	Imagine that the contributors to su-etc were law students at the
State University of New York at Buffalo.  Which contributors might be
subject to accusations of prohibited harassment by which other
contributors and prevented from passing the bar exam.  according to the
following policy statement.  $25 to the best accusation of violating the
policy.  In the accusation, say who is accusing whom.  Perhaps mutual
accusations would be best, e.g. Mark Crispin and Lyn Bowman accusing
each other.  On second thought, I have decided not to offer this prize.
It might get too unpleasant, so just think about it.  My opinion is that
the SUNYAB Law School Faculty is creating an atmosphere of fear of freedom
of speech.  Also I would guess they do not have in mind enforcing this
regulation symmetrically, e.g. they don't contemplate denouncing feminists
who accuse the whole male sex of being rapists at heart or Naderites
accusing the whole business community of being larcenist.

The following statement was adopted unanimously by the Law School Faculty 
at a meeting on October 2, 1987.  (Signed by Wade J. Newhouse)

Anyone wishing to comment on this regulation should address their remarks to:

Dean David Filvaroff
SUNYAB Law School
North Campus
Buffalo, NY  14260

FACULTY STATEMENT REGARDING INTELLECTUAL FREEDOM, TOLERANCE, AND PROHIBITED
HARASSMENT

Every intellectual community worthy of the name thrives on sharp and
heated controversy--on the free and full expression of opposing
ideas and values; on impassioned arguments for, and equally passionate
arguments against.  Given the particular professional skills required
for the practice of law, law schools, including this one, especially
prize and encourage such unencumbered give-and-take, the more lively
and uninhibited the better.

Because both the common law and two centuries of Constitutional
tradition have long given American lawyers a special role in assuring
fairness and securing equal treatment to all people, our intellectual
community also shares values that go beyond a mere standardized 
commitment to open and unrestrained debate.  We support the particular
values shaped by the special traditions and responsibilities of the
legal community to which all of us--students and faculty alike--belong.
Any and all expressions of bigotry, prejudice and discrimination are
abhorrent to these traditions; they not only detract from the person
uttering them, but reflect poorly upon the profession as a whole.

By entering law school, and joining this legal community, each
student's absolute right to liberty of speech must also become tempered
in its exercise, by the responsibility to promote equality and justice.
Therefore, it should be understood that remarks directed at another's
race, sex, religion, national origin,, age, or sexual preference will be
ill-received, or that racist, sexist, homophobic and anti-lesbian,
ageist and ethnically derogatory statements, as well as other remarks
based on prejudice and group stereotype, will generate critical 
responses and swift, open condemnation by the faculty, wherever and
however they occur.

We note with  dismay recent acts of harassment, intimidation, and
assault against persons of color and other groups which have taken
place on campuses around the country, and which have often gone far
beyond the bounds of constitutionally protected speech.  Concern
regarding such inappropriate and often outrageous behavior compels the
faculty to add a clear and specific warning concerning any such acts
that may occur in this school.  It is the policy of this law school to
take strong and immediate steps against any and all such behavior.  The
means of doing so will always  be informed by the faculty's strong
commitment to the requirements of due process but will not be limited
solely to the use of ordinary university disciplinary procedures.
Where such acts indicate that a student may lack sufficient moral
character to be admitted to the practice of law, the school can and 
will make appropriate communications to the character and fitness
committees of any bar to which such a student applies, including, where
appropriate, its conclusion that the student should not be admitted to
practice law.  In addition, in appropriate cases, the school will not
hesitate to act upon its legal and ethical duty to notify state and
federal law enforcement authorities of  such acts, and to cooperate with
those authorities in their investigation and prosecution.

Although the faculty is prepared to exercise such sanctions, we 
hope and expect that the occasion to do so will not arise.  Thus, we
expect that students will accept, and act in accordance with, the moral
obligations of the profession and this community and honor the
traditions of fairness, equality and respect for others that sustain
the legal professon and inform the culture of this law school.

∂14-Apr-88  1707	JMC 	re: Teaching next year   
To:   STAGER@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU  
[In reply to message sent Thu 14 Apr 88 16:39:27-PDT.]

I'll tell you tomorrow, but that isn't right.

∂13-Apr-88  1716	JMC 	reply to message    
To:   CLT    
[In reply to message rcvd 13-Apr-88 17:14-PT.]

ok, I'll be there.

∂13-Apr-88  1634	JMC 	re: Lunch and things
To:   DEVLIN@CSLI.STANFORD.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Wed 13 Apr 88 15:43:44-PDT.]

Any day the week after next is feasible but Wednesday.  If Tuesday or
Thursday, it should be relatively early so that I can get to a 1:15
class I am attending on elementary particles - if I haven't given up
by then.

Let me pursue the travel between the Pasadenas just a little further.
You would probably give the same answer to the possibility of driving
between Aix-en-Provence and Aix-la-Chapelle.  In my 1958 paper, I
used a predicate  drivable  and would have used axioms like
drivable(Continental U.S.) and drivable(Continental Europe).  However,
it isn't obvious that this is general enough to represent either what
people know or what we want in a general common sense database.  Even
if one is not presently interested in AI, it is worthwhile to check
whether one's ideas on representation of information are general enough.
The use of "(say)" in your message suggests that you consider the
problem of generality solved or uninteresting.

∂13-Apr-88  1241	JMC 	re: Answers    
To:   DEVLIN@CSLI.STANFORD.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Tue 12 Apr 88 14:19:32-PDT.]

How about lunch some day next week to discuss these matters?

The key point about Pasadena, CA and Pasadena, TX, is that
one's ability to say that it is possible to drive from one to the
other has to be the result of some kind of reasoning, since it is
not believable that a human stores facts about every pair of cities
he has heard of.  Of course, since you hadn't heard of Pasadena, TX
(just East of Houston), your reason to suppose you could drive there
from Pasadena, CA is based even more on reasoning.  It seems to me
that something rather like substitution into general facts followed
by modus ponens is actually required.

∂13-Apr-88  1233	JMC 	re: su.etc
To:   paulf@ACIS-NW-RT5.STANFORD.EDU  
[In reply to message sent Wed, 13 Apr 88 10:18:20 PDT.]

I have generally found that introducing new information and proposals is
more rewarding than long dialogs.  However, a lot depends on whether
one can anticipate objections in the initial writing.  Homer Chin is
the most dogged leftist.  Crispin is opinionated but nowhere near as
solidly leftist as he used to be.  However, I suppose he will always
be rather random.  Goldberg is the most rational of the three.  I don't
follow the Nicaraguan news except in the New York Times and in my
conservative weeklies and monthlies, so I am often not in a position
to argue details about who did what and with what and to whom.  However,
one should remember that the Nicaraguan truce is an embarassment to
the leftists, because they have always argued that the Contras are
just bandits and tools of the CIA, and there is no need for the
Sandinistas to negotiate with them.  I'm planning to ask the liberals
whether they consider that the Sandinistas have any moral obligation
to live up to the terms of the agreements.

I agree with your opinion about SDI as expressed in your draft article,
but I don't think the article was as convincing as it should be.  Would
you like to have lunch some time and discuss politics?  Next Wednesday
would be possible for me, and tomorrow might be possible.  I expect to
know later today.

∂13-Apr-88  1223	JMC 	re: messages to reinfra  
To:   hayes.pa@XEROX.COM    
[In reply to message sent 13 Apr 88 11:20 PDT.]

Vladimir Lifschitz and I have also tried and failed.  I have some ideas
about what I will say but don't have a manuscript yet.

∂13-Apr-88  1219	JMC 	re: Friday no good  
To:   ELLIOTT%SLACVM.BITNET@FORSYTHE.STANFORD.EDU    
[In reply to message sent 13 Apr 88 11:23 PST.]

I thought we could make the lunch early enough to go to your class,
and I have to be off Campus Monday.

∂13-Apr-88  1212	JMC  
To:   MPS    
Please tell
312 984-7081, Donna Chambers, I will not have time to see Nancy Osborn.

∂13-Apr-88  1209	JMC  
To:   CLT    
04-17	Sunday, 10am, breakfast at Hurds'

∂12-Apr-88  1450	JMC 	Friday no good 
To:   elliott%slacvm.bitnet@FORSYTHE.Stanford.EDU    
I want to attend the Hi Tech Easy Listening lecturer Friday noon.
In fact I pretty near have to, since I'm the lecturer.
How about Thursday noon?

∂12-Apr-88  1153	JMC 	okner
To:   CLT    
called with questions and asked for a check for $1000 for Calif.
We're overpaid on the Federal.  I gave him the check and put the
questions on your desk.  He says that T will need a social security
number by age 5.  If Hazel hasn't got hers yet, T's could be gotten
at the same time.

∂12-Apr-88  1115	Mailer 	failed mail returned  
To:   JMC    
In processing the following command:
    MAIL
The following message was aborted because of a command error,
namely, nonexistent recipient(s):
Paul

------- Begin undelivered message: -------
 12-Apr-88  1115	JMC 	_Abrahams%Wayne-MTS@um.cc.umich.edu
re: LISP 2 memos for Herbert Stoyan
[In reply to message sent Tue, 12 Apr 88 12:12:30 EDT.]
	I'm sure he would like the LISP 2 stuff.  He has been in
West Germany for quite a few years.  Here is my current address
file entry for him.

Stoyan, Herbert Information Sciences
		University of Konstanz
		PO-Box 5560
		D-775 Konstanz 1
		Federal Republic of Germany

		tel: 07531-88-3593
		home: Kapplerbergstr. 73
		D-7753 Allensbach
		tel: 07533-3408
	(Ursula, Roland, Norman)

------- End undelivered message -------

∂12-Apr-88  1112	JMC  
To:   ME
How about 1989 and 1990 calendar files?

∂12-Apr-88  0111	JMC 	re: Lakoff
To:   RDZ@Score.Stanford.EDU
[In reply to message sent Mon, 11 Apr 1988 16:46 PDT.]


The preaching man's immense stupidity.
. 
. 
. 
In the natural fog of the good man's mind.
 - Robert Browning, Christmas Eve.

∂11-Apr-88  2311	JMC 	semi-apology   
To:   devlin@CSLI.Stanford.EDU   
Barwise tells me you have done a lot of work in logic and set theory.
Therefore, you know it well.  I should have waited for Barwise's
answer before I sent my message.

	Nevertheless, I am even more
puzzled than before about why you (and he) think logic itself is
at fault rather than merely the set of predicate and function
symbols people have chosen for their examples.  I have never been
able to understand his ideas about what is difficult or even
inconvenient to express in logic.  I also found your very brief
comments unconvincing.

	Specifically, when one operates at a level
of intensionality where material implication is unsatisfactory,
one can reify propositions and axiomatize modalities as operators
on these propositions as objects.

	I don't claim to know what the best axiomatization would be.  The
problem about the dirty handed waiter is like some I and other logic-in-AI
people have considered, though rather more complex.  It involves both the
use of other facts about restaurants and people's tastes and nonmonotonic
reasoning.  Some of this nonmonotonic reasoning is intensional and
involves considerations like those described by Grice, i.e. that
are based on the assumed completeness of the story told by the
three sentences.  Thus one's conviction of having understood why
Jon left the restaurant would be much reduced if these were the
only three sentences heard of a much longer story told in a noisy
environment.

	None of this is well worked out yet, but we (maybe 50 people,
mostly in the U.S., Canada and Germany) don't find logic per se
inadequate, although some people use modal logic.

	As far as I can see, the contexts I mentioned at the logic
lunch don't correspond to the situations of situation semantics.
Unfortunately, I don't have a writeup, but I'll be glad of the
opportunity to discuss it.

	Anyway if I haven't been too offensive, I'd like to get
together.  How about this week some time?

∂11-Apr-88  2212	JMC 	reply to message    
To:   barwise@RUSSELL.STANFORD.EDU    
[In reply to message sent Mon, 11 Apr 88 21:25:40 PDT.]

Oh well, I have probably offended him then by my negative reaction to
his book draft.  It seemed to me that he was re-inventing bits of
logic as he went along in an ad hoc way for his examples.

∂11-Apr-88  2107	JMC 	manuscript
To:   devlin@CSLI.STANFORD.EDU   
Thanks for sending me your manuscript.  It surely represents quite
a lot of work.  Nevertheless, from my point of view, it would need
a complete reworking in order to become a useful contribution.

In the first place, it takes no account of the work that has been
done in AI in using logic to express facts about the world.  You
have no references to this literature and there is no indication
that you are familiar with any of it.  This is too bad, because
not only don't you address the problems where logic-in-AI work
has encountered difficulties, but you also give no indication
that you even recognize the problems the work has solved.

Second, you reject standard logic but invent bits of it as you
go along in order to do the examples that occur to you.  However,
you are imprecise about what you allow - both syntactically and
semantically.  For example, none of your examples tells me whether
you allow as a situation-type one that accepts just those
situations in which Jon sees ALL the members
of CSLI, although it's clear you allow a situation-type in which
he sees SOME member of CSLI.  In your list of variable-types
you don't mention anchor variables.  I suspect it of being an
oversight that may be corrected in some later chapter.  I only
got half way through the manuscript.

You don't motivate your specific deviations from ordinary logic
and ordinary logical notation and your deviant terminology for
what seem to be standard ideas.

The exammples in the sections I have seen so far don't involve
 the logical connectives AND, OR and NOT and use quantifiers
in a restricted way.

Finally, you don't tell us what one will be able to do with
a theory of information when we get it.  For example,
do infons provide a suitable internal notation for a computer
program to represent information about the world.
I offer the following trivial problem from my 1958 paper
"Programs with Common Sense".  How do you propose to represent
the information that permits a human or would permit a program
to infer that it could drive a car from Pasadena, California
to Pasadena, Texas.

If you don't find these remarks too negative to be of use to you,
I would be glad to discuss the problems further.

∂11-Apr-88  1946	JMC  
To:   barwise@ALAN.Stanford.EDU  
Who is Keith Devlin?

∂11-Apr-88  1420	Mailer 	Redneck
To:   su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU
CC:   chin@SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU, goldberg@CSLI.STANFORD.EDU
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

It now seems to me that I was too eager to pounce on Jeff Goldberg's
definition.  Had he stated that it was a derogatory term, I would have had
no legitimate complaint at all.  I have heard it used as an expression of
prejudice, and I could complain about that, but the only one who used it
in the current discussion was me, and I used it ironically.  I have never
even visited the rural South.  I think perhaps Homer Chin misunderstood.
I didn't criticize Goldberg's definition as an attack on me; I was
up to my usual academic didactic purpose.

∂11-Apr-88  1325	JMC 	Please send to Jukes
To:   MPS    
a copy of the material on Bruce Ames in my OUT box.

∂11-Apr-88  1220	Mailer 	re: Rednecks
To:   goldberg@CSLI.STANFORD.EDU, SINGH@SIERRA.Stanford.EDU
CC:   su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU  
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

[In reply to message from goldberg@csli.stanford.edu sent Mon, 11 Apr 88 10:08:44 PDT.]

When I used the term "redneck" and Harinder Singh asked for a definition, I
held off partly in the expectation of that someone would provide the kind of
prejudiced definition Jeff Goldberg gave.

    "The classic Redneck will speak with a southern or Okie accent, drive a
    pick-up with a gun rack, vote very conservatively, isn't himself a Klan
    member but has friends who are, literary tastes ranging from Louis L'Amour
    to Penthouse, has an `independent' life-style, and is very mistrustful of
    us over-educated city folks."

The mischief-making potential of this is similar to that involved in
defining the classic Jew.

    "The classic Jew speaks with a Yiddish accent, is small, sly and greedy,
    isn't necessarily a swindler but has friends who are."

"The classic X" as defined by someone prejudiced against X's includes the
collection of negative features that serve to warrant the prejudice.  Usually
the prejudiced person will admit exceptions, as Jeff's use of "classic"
suggests, but encountering an X will elicit behavior appropriate to a classic
X.

Of course, general prejudice against Jews was used by the Nazis to put
over their genocide, and nothing like that is in the cards for rural
Southerners.  However, in the academic community, prejudice against
Southerners and Southern academic institutions plays a quite significant
role, and many an individual Southerner has to go out of his way to prove
to his liberal friends that he isn't a redneck.

My most recent personal experience with this prejudice in the academic
community was the tone in which people asked, "Why would you take a
sabbatical in Texas?"

∂11-Apr-88  1145	JMC 	re: Getting together?    
To:   halpern@IBM.COM  
[In reply to message sent Mon, 11 Apr 88 11:10:45 PDT.]

Could you make it 2:40?  There's a class that ends at 2:30 I
want to attend.

∂10-Apr-88  2350	JMC 	re: Ernie Konnyu and AIDS     
To:   goldberg@CSLI.STANFORD.EDU 
[In reply to message sent Sun, 10 Apr 88 23:45:49 PDT.]

Your notion of legislation is ok.  It's the word "sponsored" that's
got you.  It only means "proposed" in this case.

Campbell's supporters have been complaining that Konnyu has been abusing
his Government mailing privileges by sending a large number of
"information bulletins" to his constituents.  Presumably, however, Konnyu
been complying with the letter of the House rules about how many times and
in what size type his name can appear and how many photographs there can
be apart from his taking part in official acts.

∂10-Apr-88  2317	Mailer 	re: Ernie Konnyu and AIDS  
To:   goldberg@CSLI.STANFORD.EDU, ginsberg@POLYA.STANFORD.EDU
CC:   su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

[In reply to message from goldberg@csli.stanford.edu sent Sun, 10 Apr 88 17:25:00 PDT.]

HR3695 stands for House Resolution number 3695 of the current Congress,
i.e.  since January 1987.  Guess how many HRs lead to bills passed by the
House and Senate and signed by the President.  Most bills introduced by
Congressmen have no chance of passage.  I'll bet the chairman of the
relevant committee won't even schedule hearings, since the Democrats have
a much more vocal "privacy" constituency than a health constituency.
Konnyu merely hopes that we rednecks will know that his heart is in the
right place and vote for him against Tom Campbell in the Republican
primary.  He may quite possibly have used his Congressional District
mailing list.  Since the flyer says to vote for him, you are assured it
wasn't mailed at Government expense.

∂10-Apr-88  2224	JMC  
To:   MPS    
Pls reserve for 2 at Faculty Club Tues. noon 3-4325.

∂10-Apr-88  2223	JMC 	re: Getting together?    
To:   halpern@IBM.COM  
[In reply to message sent Sun, 10 Apr 88 14:54:51 PDT.]

How about 2pm?

∂10-Apr-88  1421	JMC  
To:   IGS@SAIL.Stanford.EDU 
In conclusion, you'll send me a publication plan.

∂09-Apr-88  2237	JMC 	reply to message    
To:   JK
[In reply to message rcvd 09-Apr-88 20:30-PT.]

John Nafeh has a copy.  Also you can get a copy from me or from
Pat next time you come by.  It's called Common Business Communication
Language.  You certainly will not have seen the book in which it is
published - Textverabeitung und Burosysteme edited by Jurgen Reetz.

∂09-Apr-88  2028	JMC 	reply to message    
To:   JK
[In reply to message rcvd 09-Apr-88 20:24-PT.]

There is only the published paper.

∂09-Apr-88  1952	Mailer 	re: Citizens arrest   
To:   LES@SAIL.Stanford.EDU, su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

[In reply to message from LES rcvd 09-Apr-88 19:42-PT.]

The other possibility is that the cases were
dismissed at the request of the prosecutor.

∂09-Apr-88  1522	JMC  
To:   MPS    
gallai.1

∂09-Apr-88  1521	JMC 	ios, cbcl, etc.
To:   JK
I have looked at the material you gave me.  The one entitled
"Ending the Paper Chase" has extra copies of some pages and
is missing others - at least the ending is missing.  Can you
have someone send me another copy.  The following
considerations occurred to me.

1. We should look at X.12.  Does it have the virtues of
CBCL, e.g. list format, expandibility, the Chomsky property.

2. There is a possible niche for MAD.  Namely, an IOS integrator
which would permit people at a an outfit like Gates rubber to deal with
MAD's IOS integrator in a uniform way which would deal with the variety
of IOSs.

3. I would suggest arranging a meeting with Gates Rubber and exploring
the possibility of a contract.  Assuming no contract is obtained,
whoever talks to them will get an idea of what the requirements
would be for a MAD IOS integrator.

∂08-Apr-88  2258	Mailer 	re: Political Humor   
To:   CHIN@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU, su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU    
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

[In reply to message from CHIN@SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU sent Fri, 8 Apr 88 15:08:42 PDT.]

Homer Chin's "Yes John, for once I would agree with you.  That is
precisely what the American Spectator is: A joke." shows some irritation.
Perhaps the American Spectator made fun of something Mr. Chin considers
sacred.  Would Mr. Chin please elaborate what he finds "a joke" about the
American Spectator?  Is it conservatism in general?  Is it what it jeers
at?  Or is it something else?  To aid SU-ETC readers in evaluating the
complaints, I'll leave the next issue I get in the CSD Lounge.  There may
be some old issues there now.  We can have a solemn debate about which,
if any, of the American Spectator's jokes are funny and which are
offensive.

∂08-Apr-88  1135	JMC 	Please send the one page in my out box on problems of AI to 
To:   MPS    
Joe Tabbi
167 Ludlow St.
New York, NY 10002

∂07-Apr-88  2114	JMC 	re: Political Humor 
To:   paulf@ACIS-NW-RT5.STANFORD.EDU  
[In reply to message sent Thu, 7 Apr 88 19:10:50 PDT.]

I believe the Stanford Review is in a similar situation.

Stanford Review, Stanford Conservative Politcal Alliance
   P.O. Box 10401 Stanford, CA 94305
   Leon Dayan, 328-1275
   Dave Eisner, 328-6246

∂07-Apr-88  1903	JMC 	re: Political Humor 
To:   paulf@ACIS-NW-RT5.STANFORD.EDU  
[In reply to message sent Thu, 7 Apr 88 18:43:44 PDT.]

Dunno.  I have a slightly higher score getting my letters printed by
the New York Times than by the Stanford Daily.

∂07-Apr-88  1723	Mailer 	re: Political Humor   
To:   paulf@UMUNHUM.STANFORD.EDU, su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

[In reply to message from paulf@umunhum.stanford.edu sent Thu, 7 Apr 88 12:09:11 pdt.]

For right wing political humor, try the American Spectator.  Actually
Judge Bork was attacked for being humorous when he was being confirmed
to the Appelate Court.  The head of ADA complained that he laughed at
things "we consider sacred".

∂07-Apr-88  1714	JMC 	re: Lunch Saturday no-go 
To:   helen@PSYCH.Stanford.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Thu, 7 Apr 88 16:49:42 PDT.]

Next Saturday looks ok.

∂07-Apr-88  0931	JMC 	re: Use of Sun for Devon McCullogh 
To:   JSW    
[In reply to message rcvd 07-Apr-88 09:06-PT.]

Please call him if you think there is a chance some suitable hours
can be arranged.  I think we should help the GNU project.

∂07-Apr-88  0906	JMC  
To:   CLT    
Michael Doherty, contractor recommended by Barbara Gunther 408 423-4222

∂06-Apr-88  2341	JMC 	Revenge at last!    
To:   ailist@SRI.COM   
In article <962@daisy.UUCP> klee@daisy.UUCP (Ken Lee) writes:
>
>Is AI just too expensive and too complicated for practical use?  I
>spent 3 years in the field and I'm beginning to think the answer is
>mostly yes.  In my opinion, all working AI programs are either toys or
>could have been developed much more cheaply using conventional
>techniques.

At last I get to use a retort that I thought of a half hour too late
almost 30 years ago.  After one of my first public lectures on LISP
in about 1960 in which I gave examples of algebraic computations,
someone in the back of the audience, I think his name might have
been Carl Peterson, said scornfully, "I could easily have programmed all
that in assembly language".  The retort should have been, "Well then,
why didn't you?"

∂06-Apr-88  2328	JMC 	reply to message    
To:   DEVON@AI.AI.MIT.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Tue, 5 Apr 88 12:37:43 EDT.]

I'm looking for a suitable machine.

∂06-Apr-88  2327	JMC 	Do you know of such a machine whose owner might be motivated?    
To:   JJW    
 ∂05-Apr-88  0934	DEVON@AI.AI.MIT.EDU 
Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by SAIL.Stanford.EDU with TCP; 5 Apr 88  09:34:13 PDT
Date: Tue,  5 Apr 88 12:37:43 EDT
From: Devon Sean McCullough <DEVON@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>
To: JMC@AI.AI.MIT.EDU
Message-ID: <353789.880405.DEVON@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>

Hi.  I wonder if you would give me access to one of your machines
that runs gnumacs and has a mouse (eg a sun with xwindows) so I can
continue to write documentation for RMS's free software foundation
this week.  I am visiting Palo Alto until 12 April for interviews..

∂06-Apr-88  2325	JMC 	re: lunch 
To:   MCCARTY@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU 
[In reply to message sent Tue 5 Apr 88 10:38:29-PDT.]

Tuesday April 12 is it.

∂06-Apr-88  1801	Mailer 	re: The Palo Alto `Reich'  
To:   su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU, peyton@SUSHI.STANFORD.EDU 
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

[In reply to message from rick@hanauma.stanford.edu sent Mon, 28 Mar 88 13:28:17 pst.]

Liam Peyton says he was unconvinced by my arguments on behalf of Palo
Alto.  I wasn't arguing on Palo Alto's behalf, merely reciting the history
of the matter.  As a resident of Stanford, I am excluded from Foothill
Park.  I hold no brief for the attitude of Palo Alto bureaucratic
employees, although I have always found their police polite.  When Peyton
was a resident of Palo Alto, I'll bet he could have gotten some
satisfaction by complaining to the mayor.  At least I knew one mayor of
Palo Alto, who was the business manager of the Center for Advanced Studies
in Behavioral Science, and he struck me as a reasonable man.  He had
reasonable reasons for not wanting the Stanford residential areas annexed
to Palo Alto.

	There are two other facts relevant to Peyton's assumptions.

	1. East Palo Alto was in San Mateo County not in Santa Clara
County, and I believe it still is.  I suppose the State Legislature would
have to change this with the agreement of both Counties, the residents of
East Palo Alto and the city of Palo Alto if East Palo Alto were to be
annexed to Palo Alto.  The prospect of getting all those politicians to
agree on anything was considered minuscule.

	2. The reason Palo Alto is late with cable TV is liberalism.  They
argued for ten years before deciding to give the monopoly to Cable Co-op.
John Kelly, at least recently Cable Co-op's guru was a Stanford Law School
student when I first knew him through his taking one of my courses.  My
impression is that he would consider a ten year delay in getting cable TV
of trivial importance compared to making sure that it eventually happened
in the politically correct way.

	In case I wasn't clear in my previous message about the Palo Alto
Unified School District, besides the city of Palo Alto it includes various
other areas.  It is financially distinct from the city.

∂06-Apr-88  1737	JMC 	re: Occam 
To:   RWF    
[In reply to message rcvd 06-Apr-88 16:10-PT.]

I'll tell you afterwards.

∂06-Apr-88  1510	JMC  
To:   MPS    
jukes.1

∂06-Apr-88  1129	JMC 	re: TRAVEL GUIDE THROUGH EUROPE ON A LOW BUDGET NEEDED 
To:   CHEMISTRY@SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU
[In reply to message sent Wed, 6 Apr 88 10:27:21 PDT.]

You can't suppose that a money maker like "Europe on $5 a day" would
be left without a successor.  It has been updated, and there are
competitors.  Try any bookstore, e.g. Printer's Inc.

∂06-Apr-88  1126	JMC 	re: Japan 
To:   CLT    
[In reply to message rcvd 06-Apr-88 10:18-PT.]

During the visit by John McCarthy and Carolyn Talcott, McCarthy
gave talks at Kyoto University, IBM Japan, ICOT and Tohoku University
in Sendai.  The most productive part of the visit for McCarthy was
at Tohoku, where Professor Takayasu Ito has started on a project
for a LISP using parallel procesors.  The goals of this project are
similar to the goals of the QISP project at Stanford of which McCarthy
is principal investigator.  Specifically, it was agreed to try to
standardize the language for expressing parallelism in LISP after
two years, when the groups in the U.S. and Japan have had a little
more experience with their own linguistic variants.

∂05-Apr-88  2251	JMC 	re: mail connection nmr-workshop   
To:   reinfra@ZTIVAX.SIEMENS.COM 
[In reply to message sent Tue, 5 Apr 88 12:58:02 -0200.]

This to acknowledge.

∂04-Apr-88  1759	JMC  
To:   VAL    
Please make your proposed change to Math Logic in AI".

∂04-Apr-88  1533	JMC 	lunch
To:   mccarty@SCORE.Stanford.EDU 
Was it tomorrow or next week that we were to have lunch?  I have it
down as next week.

∂03-Apr-88  0023	JMC 	re: Robotics at JPL 
To:   helen@PSYCH.STANFORD.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Sat, 2 Apr 88 20:56:24 PST.]

That's the guy.  I'll look in the office on Monday, but I don't
think I have his phone number.

∂02-Apr-88  1823	JMC 	re: lunch 
To:   ELLIOTT%SLACVM.BITNET@FORSYTHE.STANFORD.EDU    
[In reply to message sent 2 Apr 88 16:22 PST.]

Let's make it Wednesday then.  I have made the reservation.

∂01-Apr-88  2244	JMC 	re: Problems with flight simulator tomorrow  
To:   helen@PSYCH.STANFORD.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Fri, 1 Apr 88 22:35:49 PST.]

I look forward to seeing you at 1130.

∂01-Apr-88  1152	JMC 	re: good friday
To:   MPS    
[In reply to message rcvd 01-Apr-88 10:53-PT.]

Have a good Good Friday.

∂01-Apr-88  1648	JMC 	lunch reservation   
To:   MPS    
Please call faculty club to reserve for me for 2 on Tuesday the 12th.

∂01-Apr-88  2122	JMC 	lunch
To:   elliott%slacvm.bitnet@FORSYTHE.Stanford.EDU    
How about later this week?  I hear you came by while I
was at Livermore.

∂30-Apr-88  1302	JMC 	missed message 
To:   ailist@SRI.COM   
I sent you the following on the 18th.  Since it wasn't included in your
recent digest number #86, I assume it got lost due to the incorrect
address having been generated by some reply macro.  This seems like
a good occasion to solicit reactions to our 1969 notions.  If you like,
I'll send a longer message summarizing the ideas, but I probably won't
have time to do it before I go on a two week trip starting May 4.
 ∂18-Apr-88  1745	JMC 	re: AIList V6 #72 - Queries   
To:   AIList@KL.SRI.COM
[In reply to message sent Sun 17 Apr 1988 23:35-PDT.]

McCarthy, John and P.J. Hayes (1969):  ``Some Philosophical Problems from
the Standpoint of Artificial Intelligence'', in D. Michie (ed), Machine
Intelligence 4, American Elsevier, New York, NY discusses the problem of
free will for machines.  I never got any reaction to that discussion,
pro or con, in the 19 years since it was published and would be grateful
for some.

∂30-Apr-88  1348	JMC  
To:   MPS    
I took both packets of pendaflex tabs and labels.

∂30-Apr-88  1438	JMC  
To:   MPS    
Please try to remind me about expenses after every trip.

∂01-May-88  1034	JMC 	re: Ayn Rand's _The New Left_ 
To:   paulf@ONO-SENDAI.STANFORD.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Sun, 1 May 88 10:02:20 PDT.]

Maybe I'll borrow it when I return from my trip to France, Germany and
the Soviet Union about May 20.  How about lunch tomorrow or Tuesday,
preferably tomorrow.  I leave on Wednesday.

∂01-May-88  1042	JMC 	re: Ayn Rand's _The New Left_ 
To:   paulf@ONO-SENDAI.STANFORD.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Sun, 1 May 88 10:35:52 PDT.]

Faculty club at noon.  Do you know what I look like?  White hair and
beard.

∂01-May-88  1050	JMC 	re: Ayn Rand's _The New Left_ 
To:   paulf@ONO-SENDAI.STANFORD.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Sun, 1 May 88 10:47:11 PDT.]

Let's meet inside in the usual place.  That's on the ground floor
where people line up to be seated.  There are sofas to sit on.

∂01-May-88  1052	JMC  
To:   MPS    
Please reserve for 2 at faculty club today (Monday) 3-4325.

∂02-May-88  1138	JMC  
To:   MPS    
grauba.6.  Please find the enclosures mentioned.

∂02-May-88  1415	JMC 	re: CSD Retreat     
To:   chandler@Polya.Stanford.EDU
[In reply to message sent Mon, 2 May 1988 9:45:18 PDT.]

single

∂02-May-88  1420	JMC  
To:   paulf@ono-sendai.Stanford.EDU   
mcvax!unido!ecrcvax!herold    or    herold%ecrcvax.UUCP@Germany.CSNET

∂02-May-88  1909	JMC 	visits    
To:   herold%mcvax!unido!ecrcvax.uucp@UUNET.UU.NET   
I hope this email address works.  The visits are fine except that I don't
want to go to Kaiserslautern, because I need to work on a paper and prefer
to stay in Munich the whole week.  I presently plan to fly to Moscow
directly from Munich.

∂02-May-88  1911	JMC 	lossage   
To:   paulf@ono-sendai.Stanford.EDU   
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Date: 02 May 88  1909 PDT
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: visits    
To: herold%mcvax!unido!ecrcvax.uucp@uunet.UU.NET

I hope this email address works.  The visits are fine except that I don't
want to go to Kaiserslautern, because I need to work on a paper and prefer
to stay in Munich the whole week.  I presently plan to fly to Moscow
directly from Munich.

∂02-May-88  2126	JMC 	visits    
To:   mcvax!unido!ecrcvax!herold@UUNET.UU.NET   
I hope this email address works.  Please acknowledge if you get it.  The
visits are fine except that I don't want to go to Kaiserslautern, because
I need to work on a paper and prefer to stay in Munich the whole week.  I
presently plan to fly to Moscow directly from Munich.

∂02-May-88  2204	JMC 	re: mail et al 
To:   paulf@ono-sendai.Stanford.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Mon, 2 May 88 21:22:45 PDT.]

Thanks, it hasn't complained yet.

∂03-May-88  1143	JMC 	re: WAITS 
To:   PAULF@KL.SRI.COM 
[In reply to message sent Tue 3 May 88 09:10:36-PDT.]

I got an acknowledgment, so the address worked.  Thanks, again.

SAIL can't be replaced in full functionality.  I anticipate some
loss in some aspects of the SAIL users' standard of living.  Maybe
there will be gains in other aspects.  For example, I consider
GNU Emacs an advance on E except for very large files in which
SAIL has better paging.

∂03-May-88  1409	JMC  
To:   bjork@Score.Stanford.EDU   
Many thanks.

∂03-May-88  1844	JMC 	re: WAITS 
To:   PAULF@KL.SRI.COM 
[In reply to message sent Tue 3 May 88 18:38:11-PDT.]

I don't have in mind any uniform solution for all SAIL users.  It will
be ``Sauve qui peut''.  My own group can most likely get by with
Gang-of-Four which is now Gang-of-Seven.  I suppose we will also
get more work stations of some commonly available kind, e.g. Suns.
We can also use Polya.  Do you have a recommendation?

∂03-May-88  2011	JMC 	re: WAITS 
To:   PAULF@KL.SRI.COM 
[In reply to message sent Tue 3 May 88 20:01:13-PDT.]

We have no current need or capability to experiment with peripherals.

In fact the 6 IIIs were not intended as an experiment.  The IIIs were
ordered in response to a Request for Proposals (RFP) and were the second
set of general purpose CRT terminals in the world.  The first were the 12
Philco displays bought for a PDP-1 on our previous RFP.  At the time the
32 channel Datadisc system was ordered (about 1970) they were also the
first system intended to put display terminals in offices.  There were
already displays in military systems and expensive display systems
with single displays.

The purpose of getting the terminals was to do our work in AI and robotics.
DARPA didn't include any money for time-sharing research in our contract.
As a result we never wrote papers about the WAITS system.  This was
unfortunate, because some of its valuable features may still not be
incorporated in present operating systems.

∂03-May-88  2014	JMC 	re: WAITS 
To:   PAULF@KL.SRI.COM 
[In reply to message sent Tue 3 May 88 20:01:13-PDT.]

I'm really short of money now, so if you want a SAIL account, I'll try
to make it a free one.  The justification would be, if you are
interested enough so that the justification would be genuine, that
it would help figure out what kind of configuration the SAIL users
might best migrate to.

∂03-May-88  2322	JMC 	account for Paul Flaherty
To:   ball@POLYA.STANFORD.EDU
CC:   paulf@SRI.COM   
I would like to recommend an account on SAIL for Paul Flaherty
charged to maintenance.  He has offered to help recommend how
to preserve some of SAIL's good features in a future system
and possibly some of its peripherals.  I'll be away till about
May 22 after tomorrow.  He can be reached as paulf@sri.com.

∂04-May-88  1200	Mailer 	moral responsibility for Indochina genocide    
To:   su-etc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU   
From: John McCarthy <JMC@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

A bit before April 21 I asked whether the "anti-war" movement had
any responsibility for the tragic events after the communist victory
in Indochina.  Bill Poser's reply included the following:

	"I suggest that in order to indict the anti-war movement JMC needs
to show two things. One is that things are worse as a result of the actions
of the anti-war movement. It isn't sufficient to say that they were bad.
He has to argue that things are worse than if there had been no
anti-war movement. The other is to show that these consequences were
forseeable. If they weren't, then we would have causation but not
moral responsibility."

	I delayed answering, because I felt that this was my big
chance, and I wanted to do it right.  Now I'm going on a trip (to
France, Germany and the Soviet Union), so I'd better do what I can
now.  First a side issue.  This isn't a legal matter with an
a prosecutor and an indictment.  One could ask from the "anti-war"
movement that it evaluate its own actions critically and not merely
pick holes in someone else's criticism.  However, they seem to regard
any self-criticism as concessions to the enemy.  Indeed when Joan
Baez complained about suppression of civil rights by the North
Vietnamese, she immediately was classified a traitor to the cause
and lost all her left-wing access to publicity.  Since she wasn't
willing to criticize her own former position, she didn't get any
continuing right wing publicity channel and so became a non-person.
Now to the issue itself.

1. Were things worse than if there had been no anti-war movement?
No-one can be conclusive about the truth of counterfactual conditionals,
but I believe they were worse for the following reasons.
	a.  The Indochina war was very difficult to lose.  Everyone
had to do his part to lose it.  There was military incompetence and
putting careers ahead of winning.   There was political micromanagement
by the Johnson Administration.  There was Secretary of Defense
MacNamara who running the Defense Department was just like running
Ford.  There were the scientists, unlike in World War II, took no
interest in making the electronic anti-infiltration line work.
Above all there was Congress who eventually, substantially in
response to the "anti-war" movement, refused to supply the
Vietnamese even at a cost of one percent of what the war had
previously been costing.

	In all this the "anti-war" movement played a substantial
role in interaction with the counterculture generally.  I write
"anti-war", because I believe that the movement ended up not
anti-war but in favor of a communist victory.

	b. The number of people killed in Indochina after the
communist victory was more than had died on both sides and
among civilians in the previous 30 years of war.  Most died
in Cambodia but the number killed in Vietnam and Laos was
also large.  The people who drowned or were killed by pirates
trying to escape has to be charged to the communist account and
indirectly and partially to the account of their supporters.

	c. The situation in South Vietnam in terms of civil rights
(number in prison), continuing poverty and desire to escape
at any risk is far worse than in South Korea, the closest
comparable situation, where a weaker "anti-war" movement wasn't
able to prevent the Free World from getting a draw.  (I don't
put quotes around "Free World", because I regard the phrase as a
substantially correct characterization.

	2. Could the "anti-war" movement have known the consequences
of its actions?  To convince oneself of this one would need to
read some part of the enormous literature that existed before
(say) 1965 on the consequences of communist victories.  There
was substantial genocide in the Soviet Union (on several occasions)
and China and serious repressions in Eastern Europe, North Korea,
North Vietnam, Cuba and Yugoslavia (despite its dispute with
Stalin).  The evidence for all this was voluminous.

	Indeed the people who formed the "anti-war" movement
had previously made the necessary distinctions between communism
and the left generally.  In particular, SDS had made this
distinction.  However, as the counterculture developed and
took a turn toward revolutionary rhetoric, they rejected
all they had learned (and new people didn't learn it).  The
left wing movement abandoned almost all of its democratic
principles, except that they continued to oppose any
measures against themselves that they could characterize
as anti-democratic.  Why?

	It's hard to say why the American left turned so
anti-democratic at that time.  Of course, the communists
had always been cynically one-sided in their appeal to
democratic slogans.  My opinion is that when the Johnson
administration stopped student draft deferments in response
to justified complaints that the deferments were unfair to blacks,
this put self-interest in support of an existing ideological
tendency to find the U.S. at fault.  When the internal U.S.
conflict intensified, the attitude that the enemy of my
enemy is my friend, caused the left to forget all it had
learned about the anti-democratic nature and genocidal tendencies
of communism.

	Necessarily this exposition has to rely substantially
on literature.  A recent book by (Ronald?) Radosh a reformed former
leader of the "anti-war" movement elaborates many of the
points I have made (judging from the reviews I have seen).

∂04-May-88  1402	JMC 	re: AI Qual - URGENT
To:   Irvine@SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU   
[In reply to message sent Wed, 4 May 88 13:37:38 PDT.]

I will, alas be out of town.

∂04-May-88  1450	JMC 	(→21313 21-May-88)  
To:   "#___JMC.PLN[2,2]"    
I will return from a trip to France, Germany and the Soviet Union
on May 21.

∂04-May-88  1543	JMC 	re: Special Faculty Meeting 5/3/88 - Vote    
To:   chandler@POLYA.STANFORD.EDU
[In reply to message sent Wed, 4 May 1988 15:37:27 PDT.]

I will be away till May 21 and will have to abstain unless the matter
drags out.  You have misspelled Nilsson in your cc.